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cain and senator lindsey graham said today they want watergate-style hearings on the attack in benghazi and if you nominate susan rice as secretary of state they will do everything to block the nomination and senator graham said he doesn't trust her after benghazi. i would like your reaction to that and would those threats deter you from making a nomination like that? >> at this point i won't comment on various nominations i'll put forward to fill out my cabinet for the second term. those are thing that is are still being discussed. but let me say specifically about susan rice. she has done exemplary work. she has represented the united states and our interests in the united nations with skill and professionalism and toughness and grace. as i've said before, she made an appearance at the request of the white house in which she gave her best understanding of the intelligence that had been provided to her. if senator mccain and senator graham and others want to go after somebody, they should go after me. and i'm happy to have that discussion with them. but for them to go after the u.n. ambassador wh

in the way of getting a deal done. georgia senator saxby clam chambliss, lindsey graham and corker of tennessee joined the chorus. this is how grover norquist responded this morning on cnn's "starting point." >> no pledge-taker has voted for a tax increase. they've had some people discussing impure thoughts on national television. however, even lindsey graham, if you listen to him, he would support higher taxes if it was used to pay down the debt. of course, it would be spent. if he got, you know, 10-1 ratios on entitlement reform. i've had long conversations with lindsey graham, and he would -- he says i would raise taxes if, and then he lists this incredible list of reforms and entitlements that the democrats would never give him. and as i suggested, i said senator, you're offering to trade a tax increase for a pink unicorn. >> all right. pink unicorns, part of the fiscal cliff discussions now. let me bring in cnn contributor anna navarro who claims she has never seen me during the daylight. great to see you during the daylight, anna. >> how are you, john? >> good, i'm doing well

cain and senator lindsey graham both said today they want to have watergate style hearings on the attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi and said if you nominate susan rice to be secretary of state, they will do everything in their power to block her nomination as senator graham said, he simply doesn't trust ambassador rice after what she said about benghazi. i would like your reaction to that and would those threats deter you from making a nomination like that? >> well, first of all, i'm not going to comment at this point on various nominations i'll put forward to fill out my cabinet for the second term. those are things that are still being discussed. but let me say specifically about susan rice, she has done exemplary work. she has represented the united states and our interests in the united nations with skill and professionalism and toughness and grace. as i said before, she made an appearance at the request of the white house in which she gave her best understanding of the intelligence that had been provided to her. if senator mccain and senator graham and others want to go after somebody

me. >>> lindsey graham's response to criticism to his attacks on susan rice, but republicans still have some explaining to do. bob shrum and tara dowd will join me on that. >>> and ohio secretary of state is hatching a new scheme to rig future elections for republicans. nina turner, state senator from ohio, will join me. share your thoughts with us on facebook and on twitter using #edshow. we're coming right back. ♪ it's so important to make someone happy ♪ when you give a child a toy, it has to work. ♪ make just one someone happy and when it's a toys for tots child, well, what could be more important? so this year, every hasbro toy donated to toys for tots will be powered by duracell. happy holidays. duracell with duralock. trusted everywhere. ♪ don't know what i'd do ♪ i'd have nothing to prove ♪ i'd have nothing to lose [ male announcer ] zales is the diamond store. take an extra 15 percent off storewide, friday until two p.m. >>> welcome back to "the ed show." today, two big food chains actually changed their tune on obama care. the ceo of papa john's now says that

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care. john nichols and ruth connip join me. >>> lindsey graham's response to criticism to his attacks on susan rice, but republicans still have some explaining to do. bob shrum and tara dowd will join me on that. >>> and ohio secretary of state is hatching a new scheme to rig future elections for republicans. nina turner, state senator from ohio, will join me. share your thoughts with us on facebook and on twitter using #edshow. we're coming right back. the way it cleans. everything about the oral-b power brush is simply revolutionary. oral-b power brushes oscillate, rotate and even pulsate to gently loosen and break up that sticky plaque with more brush movements than manual brushes and even up to 50% more than leading sonic technology brushes for a superior clean. oral-b power brushes. go to oralb.com for the latest offers. >>> welcome back to "the ed show." today, two big food chains actually changed their tune on obama care. the ceo of papa john's now says that he will go along with the affordable care act without punishing employees or customers and a major denny's franchisee has

with general petraeus about what happened in benghazi? i think lindsey graham is right when he says we need to have an victories glowft of this incident but of this whole business, peggy. >> this is one of those what the heck is going on kind of moments where you have so many questions, as many people are saying off the record. this feels a little homeland, almost. you know what i mean? it's a little too mysterious. look, i come back to where i started. petraeus is a great guy. he has sacrificed for his country for 40 years. it is a shame to lose him over this. and i just have to ask why do we have to lose him over this? that actually makes no sense. >> schieffer: so do you think they moved too fast? >> i don't know what they knew. but it looks very strange. i do not understand why they could not-- i guess, i hope we'll find out why they-- why it wasn't a scenario in which they said, "okay, we've got a problem. we see a problem. general, you have to know this." he said, "i'm very sorry, that's over, move forward" i don't understand why you have to leave over this. >> there are a lot of peop

"meet the press." let me play lindsey graham, because what we heard from senator feinstein was a response to some of the comments made particularly by mr. graha miker. >> would this white house mislead people about american security events? i think they might. when the bin laden raid occurred they leaked every detail. we heard details about classified information. to make this president look good, so if they would leak classified information to make him look good, would they withhold information to prevent him from looking bad? >> it went to this so-called deputies committees populated by appointees from the administration. that's where the narrative changed. we do know that the intelligence community as they presented it was accurate. >> the allegation that the white house changed those talking points, that is false. only one thing was changed, and i've checked into this and i believe it to be absolute fact. that was the word "consulate" was changed to "mission." >> rachel, you heard a snippet of what was playing out on these sunday morning programs. what is your take? can

cain, lindsey graham from john mccain, lindsey graham and kelly ayotte after their meeting with ambassador rice. >> we are significantly troubled by many of the answers that we got. >> bottom line, i'm more disturbed now than before. >> i'm more troubled today. >> senator mccain's embarrassing past with libya includes a meeting in tripoli in 2009 with gadhafi to discuss the possible delivery of military equipment to that dictator at his side at that meeting, as usual of course, was lindsey graham. also joining him was senator joe lieberman. today sh after meeting with ambassador rice, joe lieberman chose not to join the baseless criticism of ambassador rice. >> based on what she has said as clearly as possible, backed up by the director of the cia, i think it wouldn't be fair to disqualify her based on what she said. >> ambassador rice released this statement after meeting with the republican senators. while we certainly wish we had >> ambassador rice released this statement after meeting with the republican senators. joining me now, msnbc's karen finney and howard fineman. howard, what is your

and use of american power. >> wasne want to get to benghaz with both of you. lindsey graham raised questions on "meet the press" and also mike rogers, the chair of the house intelligence committee did as well. let's play a little bit of lindsey graham. >> this white house mislead the american people about national security events? i think they might simply because when the bin laden raid occurred they leaked every detail about the raid. we heard detailed about classified information to make this president look good, so if they would leak classified information to make him look good would they withhold information to prevent him from looking bad. >> the republicans are not going top drop this and, in fact, on "meet the press," mike rogers raised an entirely new subject. he suggested that there should be questions asked about whether, since eric holder the attorney general knew about the petraeus situation, whether in some informal way that was communicated to the president? let me ask you first, mark, what about that suggestion? >> well, look, this issue is not become a bipartisan y

cain and lindsey graham so the question is this grover norquist's last stand? here with an answer is donnie fowler. donnie of course, democratic strategist and great political operative. welcome back into "the war room." is it grover norquist's last stand? >> we can only hope. look, i think republicans should just say sign the pledge for the last election. not for this congress. it expired. there's only 39 of the 40 top senators and republicans -- six are freed. let his people go, grover. let your people go. >> jennifer: he ain't going to let them go. all of this is occurring in the context of the fiscal cliff negotiations and what lindsey graham was suggesting was that if you close some of the loopholes and deductions and revenue goes up, that's not raising taxes apparently grover norquist sees it differently but interestingly enough, there is a push then from the left as well and there are unions that have taken out ads to pressure democratic senators not to compromise. >> how do we move our country forward and reduce

. >> are you working with senator schumer, he and lindsey graham have said they are already working on a piece of legislation. >> we are. we have issues with senator schumer's specific ideas, but we applaud his enthusiasm. we're trying to get him on the set of key elements of comprehensive immigration reform that are important to us. >> where would you disagree with him? >> a national id card, we think that does not need to be part of the solution to fixing a broken immigration system. >> to you see any republican allies going forward? >> john mccain has always been an incredible on this. lindsey graham has been good. we are seeing more and more interest in the house from people that i think will make themselves more known as we get into the new year. we are incredibly excited that the coming together of the latino community in this last election has awakened a bipartisan agreement that we need to act on immigration once and for all. we look forward to making it happen. >> what are the odds and we go over the cliff or get some kind of deal? >> i pray to god that we reach an agreement as a nati

for her. and lindsey graham and john mccain are a committee of two in wanting a select committee to investigate watergate style benghazi. i don't even think most republicans have the appetite for. that secondly, john mccain just did an enormous favor for susan rice because he just boosted her chances that she is likely to be nominated because the president doesn't want to look like he's walking away from a fate. this is a fight that he can win, should win, early in his second term. he can't allow these two war hawks on the hill to roll him. so it's tough to get a nomination through, but you've got an invigorated party with two more seats. if they want to filibuster her nomination the president can make a big issue of that and the republicans aren't going to look like a winner going after a woman what had nothing to do with the benghazi attack. >> susan rice can answer this on sheefer's program, "face the nation," and the question is do you think that she got her talking points for that program from the white house? >> she got the same talking points as the administration was givi

? >> i wonder if something else is going on, whether lindsey graham wants to do something on immigration reform or is trying to cover his back on benghazi or there are politicks to play but the white house can't understand the opportunity. chris: a lot of motives going on there. >> chris, i live in brooklyn and bringing you two updates for the sandy recovery on the effort back home. chris: good for you. >> good news and bad news. good news, the motorized wheelchairs are beginning to work again and old people's wheelchairs are powered by electricity and when the power goes out they literally can't move around. the power is beginning to come on in some of the high-rise buildings so people are able to recharge their wheelchair for really the first time in weeks and able to move around more easily again. that's the good news. the bad news is that things are still really tough. my synagogue was preparing lunch meals for kids at schools this week, and they found out that they not only had to do lunch, they had to do dinners for the kids to take home as well because there's no food at home. chr

cain and lindsey graham are so busy attacking susan rice. well maybe it's because -- think about this, if the president can't appoint susan rice, then he would have to appoint john kerry and that would open up a massachusetts senate seat for scott brown. so it could all be a way of getting back another republican in the united states senate. don't know for sure. just sayin'. all right. we'll look into that and a whole lot more here but first standing by with today's current news update, lisa ferguson in los angeles. hi lisa. take it away. >> hey bill, thanks. good morning everyone. as president heads to meet with leaders of the business world this afternoon politico is reporting that john boehner and his leadership team are making plans to meet with some of these very same executives. now the irony here is that obama and boehner still have no plans to meet themselves face-to-face. the two did meet before congress' thanksgiving recess along with the other two three members of the house and the senate. they had plans to

lindsey graham both said today they want to have watergate style hearings on the attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi and said if you nominate susan rice to be secretary of state they will do everything in their power to block her nomination as senator graham said he simply doesn't trust ambassador rice after what she said about benghazi. would those threats deter you from making a nomination like that? >> first of all, i'm not going to comment at this point on various nominations i'll put forward to fill out my cabinet for the second term. those are things that are still being discussed. let me say specifically about susan rice, she has done exemplary work. she has represented the united states and our interests in the united nations with skill and professionalism and toughness and grace. as i've said before, she made an appearance at the request of the white house. in which she gave her best understanding of the intelligence that had been provided to her. if senator mccain and senator graham and others want to go after somebody, they should go after me. and i'm happy to hav

the same thing if they want to be competitive in the future. >> what's so interesting, lindsey graham was on, and he was talking about immigration. i got to play his comment, and i want your thoughts on the other side of it. let's play it, please. >> it's one thing to shoot yourself in the foot. just don't reload the gun. i intend not to reload this gun whether it comes to hispanic. i intend to tear down this wall and pass an immigration reform bill that's an american solution to an american problem, but we have nobody to blame but ourselves when it comes to losing hispanics. >> i intend to tear this wall down, and it's an american solution to an american problem. where were those comments during the republican primary when governor rick perry was all but run off the stage. again, this was before he couldn't name the three agencies that he would eliminate. where was this sentiment then, and will it work on latino voters? >> well, i think that sent want was certainly behind the scenes. you had moderate republicans cheering rick perry because of his approach to latinos in texas, his fam

'll cover that with our headliners. senators dick durbin and lindsey graham. plus our powerhouse roundtable. matthew dowd, joe klein, ruth marcus, david sanger of "the new york times" and peggy noonan of "the wall street journal." >>> then ben affleck. >> you saw your parents killed? >> with war breaking out in congo, he's here live on what can be done to stop the fighting. >>> and -- >> i'm jonathan karl, i'm going to show you how this clipper will bring bipartisanship to washington. >>> hello, again. you just saw one small step for bipartisanship, is there more to come in washington? congress is back to work this week. top priority, a deal to block those automatic spending cuts and tax increases now set for january 1st, and some smart money is starting to bet that the president and congress will find a way to avoid that fiscal cliff. stocks up this week in anticipation of a deal with the dow clocking five straight of gains. and black friday consumer spending was down as well. now let's bring in t number one senator dick durbin and top republican lindsey graham. senator, welcome in. senato

of compromise on the financial argument from republican senator lindsey graham. we'll get insight on the pretty thinking from his top strategist, david axelrod. then we'll go to our all-star panel of analysts. peggy noonan of the ""wall street journal"." david gergen of harvard university. dee dee myers of "vanity fair." and our own john dickerson. election 2012 is in the bookes, but the story is just beginning. and this is "face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs from cbs news in washington, "face the nation" with bob schieffer. >> schieffer: good morning, again. on this veteran's day. and we begin with senator graham who is in clemson, south carolina. senator, thank you for coming. you are on the armed services committee, of course, so i want to start out with this out-of-the blue thunderbolt that hit washington friday concerning david petraeus the c.i.a. director. he resigned, saying he had exercised bad judgment and had an affair. cbs news and several other agencies have now confirmed that the f.b.i. got on to this after a third woman told them she had received threatening e-mails fro

's lindsey graham and he is most likely going to attract a primary challenger. this is not without risk but it's significant. it's not only the senators. you have senator coburn and saying it won't be terrible to raise taxes on the rich. i think we are starting to see a shift. the key is, is it just reductions or will some be willing to raise tax rates on the wealthy? that is going to be the real sticking point and ed, you heard what congressman king said. he said, look, it all has to be on the table. then you have speaker boehner saying that he wants obama care on the table in the fiscal cliff negotiations in reality will that be on the table, obama care in. >> you know, this is a a genius move by republicans. they wanted to repeal obama care. they would have done it had mitt romney been elected and they can't do that. boehner has said repealing it entirely is a moot issue. but getting some concessions is probably the way to do it. in part because there are democrats who agree that changes should be made and even the president has said that it's not a perfect law. do the math. deduct i

lindsey graham, kelly ayotte and -- >> they were upset. john mccain over the weekend. >> john mccain backed up. >> so it's really cool when she said i'm sorry. >> she did the brave thing and went right in there and said i want to -- >> how did that work. >> and talked about her initial account of the attack and explained to them she was relying on faulty intelligence and talking points from the intelligence community. >> they said? >> they said, you know what, we still don't get it. >> throw the video. >> we are significantly troubled by many of the answers that we got and some that we didn't get. it is clear that the information that she gave the american people was incorrect. >> bottom line, i'm more disturbed now than i was before. >> if you don't know what happened just say you don't know what happened. people can push you to give explanations and i want to say -- >> i'm more troubled today knowing having met with the acting director of the cia and ambassador rice. clearly the impression that was given, the information given to the american people was wrong, in fact, ambassad

hand he also voted for the ryan budget. finally, lindsey graham, collaborated with democrats on issues like immigration and climate change but is up for re-election in the very red state of south carolina in 2014. he will probably feel pressure from the right to stand firm. joining me now is sahilkapuh. he wrote the article about the five republican senators who might work across the aisle. he joins us from washington d.c. i'm also joined by our favorite democratic strategist, donnie fowler. thanks donnie, thanks, is sahil for joining me inside "the war room." can harry reid bring those republican senators over to avoid a filibuster if not all of them? maybe some of them and which of the republicans is most likely to come over? >> it really depends on which issue. i think the bigger the issue the more hot button it is. if you take something like taxes or climate change or immigration, issues like that will be an uphill climb to win over any republicans. as i mention the article the most likely republican to

cain and lindsey graham back at it trying to trump up the ben gansy roles. they took their shots and the president hit back. >> if senator mccain and others want to go after somebody, they should go after meand i'm happy to have that discuss with them. but for then to go after the u.n. ambassador, who had nothing to do with benghazi and was simply making a presentation based on intelligence she had received and to besmirch her reputation is outrageous. >> that's loyalty to a staff nem. if looks could kill, the president's look would be a cruise missile. >> it was the most sustained anger, i think it will be the most sustained inc.er that we have seen and will see coming from this president in a display in a television news conference. now, there is no evidence the ambassador did anything wrong regarding the benz attacks. president obama is not about to let a member of his administration get drugged through the mud by the righties. he was also very calculating on his take on the scandal surrounding former cia chief david pezus. >> i am withholding judgment on how the process around general pettia c

by senators john mccain, kelly ayotte and lindsey graham close to target the president's staff, specifically the potential nomination of ambassador susan rice as secretary of state. >> we will do whatever's necessary to block the nomination that's within our power as far as susan rice is concerned. >> you don't end up on every single major sunday show without affirmatively putting yourself out there of wanting to carry forward a message on behalf of the administration. >> i don't trust her. the reason i don't trust her is because i think she knew better and if she didn't know better she shouldn't be the voice of america. >> president obama is far from conceding defeat. channeling his own inner mama grizzly. he bears his teeth. >> i'm the president. and i'm always responsible. the suggestion that anybody in my team, whether secretary of state, or u.n. ambassador, anybody on my team, would play politics or mislead when we've lost four of our own, governor, is offensive. >> yesterday, the claws were out. >> if senator mccain and senator graham and others want to go after somebody, they should g

cain and lindsey graham saying a collect committee for investigation will not happen. the time for phoney outrage is over. republicans need to get back to the real problems facing americans. get your cell phones out. tonight's question, will the gop stop their witch hunt on benghazi? text a for yes, b for no to 622639. or you can leave a comment on our blog. and we'll bring you results later on in the show. joining me now is retired colonel lawrence wilkerson, former chief of staff number colin powell's term. colonel, good to have you with us tonight. >> good to be here, ed. >> take us down the road of talking points. do we see unified talking points? is this common practice that the intell committee will get together to brief the congress and to brief the country? and is it usual they might leave out information and not spill everything? take us down that road. >> absolutely. let me say first that i took your last comments aboard and i was thinking barbara bush, the grand lady of the gop, put it very eloquently today. she said they won. get over it. move on. that's some tremendously good advice

graham, the republican from being is is being could see primary challenges this year. lindsey graham is a constant target of more conservative elements within the republican party and already seen stories about some members of congress contemplating running against chambliss in that primary. that's the big threat here. americans for tax reform spent big money this year on house races around the country and on independent expenditures. who is to say we won't see the same kind of expenditures in republican primaries coming up in 2014 and by the way to karen's point about the administration trying to use their database, their supporters to actually turn out and vote, that's the biggest challenge for the democratic party moving forward. how do you take this organization that's centered around one particular guy, president obama, and expand that to the entire democratic party as a whole? both parties are going through a real metamorphosis. it will be fascinating to watch over the next two, four, six years. >> before we get out of here, warren buffett, the op-ed in the "new york times" and

, but you don't want to say it. lindsey graham has said it. they've said they'll allow for more loopholes. you're saying you agree with that, at least now. but not in the long-term, correct? >> yeah, look, i'm saying there are a lot of ways to skin a cat and we need comprehensive tax reform. you have to look at something carefully to decide whether or not you think it is an aggregate tax increase, so it's difficult to define what is or what is not a tax increase. i am against tax increases, but i am in favor of stabilizing our revenue stream. >> okay, but do you have frustration with grover norquist in such an absolutist definition? because if over time, it could mean you're never raising more revenue -- does it frustrate you? >> no. look, my pledge wasn't to any one individual. the pledge that i made was to my constituents, the voters in utah who elected me and found it significant that i was willing to say tax increases are not the answer. we don't have a revenue problem so much as a spending problem in washington. >> thank you very much. we appreciate you taking the time to joins us to

us. >> here is senator lindsey graham of south carolina on norquist. here it is. >> i agree with grover we shouldn't raise rates but i think grover is wrong when it comes to we can't cap deductions and buy down debt. i want to buy down debt and cut rates to create jobs. i will violate the pledge long story short, for the good of the country only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >> does this mean you have to put medicaid, medicare on the table to get these folks to think your way. graham isn't going far enough. congressman tom cole, another republican, is willing to see what people wants. is this starting to crack? are we seeing a trend? >> democrats have passed the budget control act which cut spending by nearly $1 billion. with he were willing to support a compromise that would further reduce spending in exchange for revenues from the rich. we have already agreed to compromise and we agree we have to reduce debt and we have agreed to spending cuts. we will not negotiate the end to medicare. we will negotiate reforms and improvements to medicare. we will not negotiat

because you've had so many people saying, lindsey graham saying i would violate the pledge, end of story and i think the american public has become more aware of the pledge, how much it's deictated republican policy. you're supposed to be answering to us, the voter, so i think that has in addition to the fact that keeping these tax cuts in places so unpopular, i think just the idea i itself of the pledge has become politically toxic. >> i want you to listen to one more thing cole said today about holding the american people hostage. >> sounds like he's talking democratic talking points before he says this. >> frankly, i don't think we use the american people as a hostage in a negotiating type situation. >> where did he hear that before? >> exactly. they didn't just hold the american taxpayer hostage with the debt ceiling crisis, they held the entire global economy hostage. and did actual damage to it. >> they did you know, i think the estimate was like 18 billion in taxpayer money, plus, they got credit downgrade. the stock market took a hit. i mean, the idea that it's propostrouse that

an inappropriate political candidate. the horrible optics of he and lindsey graham as old white establishment men who attacked an african american woman, laying the groundwork for 2016. >> horrible optics of mccain, lindsey graham, old, white, establishment, repeatedly attacking a much younger black woman. >> you're watching the militant, radical left flexing its muscles. they're going -- they're transcending class warfare. they're now trying to start racial welfare in country. look who the targets are. john mccain and lindsey graham, for the love of god. where were you fellows when clarence thomas was in the hearings? where were you with allen west in florida? you'll never be found when a conservative black man is attacked. you make up these things. no one was said one word, one word, about this woman's skin color. nobody has, except for them. >> sean: it's not about that, but you can't be critical, because then all of a sudden the democratic machine in the media comes at you and we're back with -- >> sean, if she were white, they would say that mccain and graham were antiwoman. there's no talk

reinforcements. here's comes senator lindsey graham of south carolina who is also questioning rice's credibility. >> i don't trust. the reason i don't trust her, because i think she knew better, and if she doesn't know better, she shouldn't be the voice of america. >> this afternoon, the president smack them both down. >> when they go after the u.n. ambassador, apparently because they think she's an easy target, then they've got a problem with me. >> today's repudiation of mccain's politicking is just the latest installation in what has been a contentious history between the president and the senator from arizona, leading all the way back to the last presidential campaign, when mccain announced that he was suspending his campaign to try to solve the fiscal crisis in this country and avoid a presidential debate. obama needled him with this response. >> it's my belief that this is exactly the time when the american people need to hear from the person who in approximately 40 days will be responsible for dealing with this mess. and i think that it is going to be part of the president's job to deal w

mccain and senator lindsey graham said today they want watergate-style hearings on the attack on the consulate in benghazi. >> i want to ask about the families of four killed. >> general petraeus is where we begin at the white house. i guess it's a good bet they would be coming up today. >> reporter: yeah. you saw the ap ask it. it didn't dominate as much as we thought. our friends at telemundo asked a question and coming back on immigration. he talked about the fiscal cliff. he laid down the law you saw him there. he wants the tax cuts extended for everybody under $250,000 and got to general petraeus and this whole intertwined story with benghazi, that's when it got really rough. the president took out after republicans namely john mccain and lindsey graham for the criticism leveled at susan rice. the u.n. secretary, shortly after the attacks that resulted in the death of four americans, she went on "meet the press" and other sunday shows and said what happened in benghazi was the result of a spontaneous protest that morphed in to something else and resulted in the death of t

john mccain and lindsey graham that they would oppose her nomination to be secretary of state based on remarks she made about the benghazi attacks. >> if senator mccain and senator graham and others want to go after somebody, they should go after me. but for them to go after the u.n. ambassador, who had nothing to do with benghazi, and was simply making a presentation based on intelligence she had received, and to besmerch her reputation is outrageous. >> indeed. let's get to our panel julian epstein, lynn sweet, washington bureau sweet for chicago "sun-times" and msnbc political analyst professor michael eric dyson of georgetown university. professor dyson,fy might begin with you, perhaps the most hated moment in that press conference was the president's barely concealed anger that republicans have been attacking ambassador susan rice for the confusion surrounding the benghazi consulate attacks. this, as you know, has been the drum beat from republicans from the right wing media for weeks. do you think the president's response will do anything to silence the drums? >> unfortunately

want to go after somebody, they should go after me. >> we'll talk to senator lindsey graham exclusively this morning. >>> plus, the key figures trying to get to the bottom of benghazi and the petraeus affair. chair of the senate intelligence committee senator dianne feinstein of california. and chair of the house intelligence committee, congressman mike rogers of michigan. >>> then after the election, will washington get anything done? talks start on how to avoid the fiscal cliff, as mitt romney draws fire from fellow republicans by accusing the president of doling out, quote, gifts to minority groups in exchange for their vote. what's the fallout and the future of the gop? with us, tea-party backed congressman raul labrador, tom friedman, former white house chief of staff for bill clinton john podesta, republican strategist mike murphy, and nbc news chief foreign affairs correspondent andrea mitchell. >>> announcer: from nbc news in washington, the world's longest-running television program, this is "meet the press" with david gregory. >>> good sunday morning. with the president's nati

including senator lindsey graham and congressman peter king. are we inching closer to some potential compromise. athena joan has been following the fiscal cliff negotiations. >> martin, with congress returning this weekend, not much public evidence of any real progress on a deal the avoid the fiscal cliff. folks here in washington are wondering if this week will prove a turning point for republicans and democrats. members of congress expressed optimism sunday about the prospects for reaching a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff. a series of tax increases and spending cuts next year that could do serious damage to the economy. they also sounded warnings. >> we can and must get an agreement. otherwise i think first of all the markets are going to start reacting. >> it's not a done deal and not a certainty. if congress does nothing, which congress has gotten pretty good at doing these days, we'll go over the fiscal cliff. >> reporter: staffers have been working behind the scenes to find common ground to prevent across-the-board cuts lawmakers say should concern everyone. >> i think you shou

in and conservatives are starting to stray with conditions. here is south carolina senator lindsey graham. >> ly violate the pledge, long story short for the good of the country only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >> that's a whole nother conversation. on the issue of taxes warren buffett has written an op-ed in "the new york times" today renewing his stire to see taxes go up on people like him and him himself. in the op-ed he says people who make between a million and $10 million should see their taxable rate go up to 30% and those who make more than $10 million should be taxed at 35%. we'll be back after the break. see you on the other side. as i looked out across the battlefield at antietam. i saw the future of one great nation. but only barely, because the sun was like, way in my grill. george mcclellan, the general, hands me his pair of foster grant sunglasses, and i could see! my wife, mary todd, found them so fetching. >> he looked so fine i started to call him babe-raham lincoln. >> i was like, mary, please. >> you look like a baby,

hearing. i'm certain my colleague from new hampshire, and of lindsey graham. so i do believe that it's in the country's interest to give her a fair hearing and to let her explain the situation, the position that she took on benghazi. >> senator, good to have you on the program. thank you. >> nice to be with you. >> let's go back to the strategy on the part of the white house. and obviously we're in this mess because they couldn't make a deal the last time. if the president's backup strategy is, and susan, this is what the l.a. times is reporting that they have to go off the fiscal cliff, they're willing to paint the gop as villains. i'm wondering about that strategy and does it appeal to moderate americans who clearly just want something done? >> well, you know, every time we do a poll and talk to americans, they say they want a deal, want both sides to compromise, to give a little. and i wonder to what degree the white house saying they are willing to go off the fiscal cliff is a, you know, a strategy that you would have right at this point to hold the feet to the fire of your -- of

director mike morrell met with john mccain, lindsey graham and kelly ayotte over what rice knew the in the days after the deadly consulate attack in benghazi. all three claim to be more troubled after this meeting. >> we're significantly troubled by many of the answers that we got and some that we didn't get. >> bottom line, i'm more disturbed now than i was before that the 16th september explanation about how four americans died by ambassador rice, i think, does not do justice to the reality at the time. >> clearly the impression that was begin, the information begin to the american people was wrong. in fact, ambassador rice said today, absolutely, it was wrong. >> and within the past hour the white house once again defended ambassador rice. >> focus on some might say obsession made on comments made on sunday shows seems, to me, and to many, to be misplaced. >> and the ambassador herself made this statement only a short time ago. it read in part, quote, i appreciated the opportunity to discuss these issues directly and structurive wi them. the administration remains committed t

. you heard john mccain and lindsey graham saying there is no way they want her to be secretary of state, nominated to secretary of state. everybody knew that it was terrorism. >> everybody knew it was terrorism. well, today, one of the things that david petraeus said is that he knew right away it was terrorism. and in the talking points, they took that out because it was classified and they talked about extremists. now susan rice says this began as a spontaneous, not premeditated response to what happened in cairo. i don't think her language was very careful. that's why they pounced on that language. i think things were slightly settled down today because you heard from dave petraeus because he said she was giving these talking points. i don't think it's settled down completely. i think you'll probably still see john mccain and lindsey graham. >> do you think she'll be secretary of state? >> i don't know. i don't know whether she'll be nominated. that is one of the things that president obama said yesterday. he said he hadn't decided. gwen: how about is this whether she was getting a no

'm talking about the makeup of our electorate right now. senator lindsey graham got a lot of flack for saying pointly, blankly, these are live pictures from chicago we're looking at right now. this is president obama's election headquarters. senator lindsay graham says that the republican party was not manufacturing enough angry white men. he meant that as a cautionary tale to republicans. are we seeing measures of that tonight, that mitt romney is not able to stitch enough places? >> bob mcdonnell said that the politics or the arithmetic of politics is addition, not subtraction. you're got to widen the base and the point of it is that ed rollins, four years ago said the same thing that lindsey graham said, it was a campaign manager for ronald reagan said we cannot just be the party, the republican party of white males. especially when you have a growing latino group, and asians, and other people and young people, you can't just be segmented to have one constituency. >> 25 years ago, the former republican governor of new jersey came out with a book called the politics of inclusion. kaine was

prominent republican senators, lindsey graham and saxby chambliss are signaling they are willing to give a break the no tax pledge. that is a hopeful sign, folks, because a new cnn/orc poll shows more than two thirds of americans believe a trip over that cliff would create major problems, perhaps even a crisis. cnn political editor paul steinhauser is live from washington, d.c. this morning. nice to see you, paul. so the fiscal cliff triggers back-breaking tax hikes and massive spending cuts. you've got more numbers that show what type of budget plan americans actually prefer. >> exactly. one of the big arguments, zoraida, is should it be all spending cuts to get us there or tax increases, as well? brand-new numbers just out from cnn/orc. only about one in three say whatever deal should be struck should be just spending cuts. but almost seven in ten, two thirds of americans say the plan should include spending cuts and tax increases. our poll indicates americans are not so optimistic a deal will get done and if it doesn't get done, who gets the blame? look at this right here, about 45% s

. until we do, i really think it's unwarranted to make accusations. >> republican senator lindsey graham said he believed the issue is clearly linked to the presidential election and would have ruined the administration's narrative that al qaeda was on the run. >> why would you choose someone who had nothing to do with benghazi to tell us about benghazi? that's kind of odd. the president said, why pick on her, she didn't know anything about benghazi. she was the most politically compliant person they could find. i don't know what she knew, but i know the story she told was misleading. i don't know why it was misleading, but let me put this in context. would this white house mislead the american people about national security events? i think they might simply because when the bin laden raid occurred they leaked every detail about the raid. we heard a lot of details about classified information to make this president look good, so if they would leak classified information to make him look good, would they withhold information to prevent him from looking bad? >> lindsey graham and john mcca

and even saxon chambliss and lindsey graham all said the same thing. we want revenue and are willing to generate revenue, but not by raising taxes. it is very simple. the president does not want to -- the president only wants to tax the rich because he said it during the campaign about 1 million times. millionaires and billionaires. a family of two that makes $250,000 a year are not millionaires. the problem is we are not opposed to revenue. we are opposed to a tax increases. lindsey graham said exactly that and peter king did too. it is against raising taxes. there are other ways to do revenue. the democrats don't like those other ways. it is called growth. that brings in more revenue. and readjusting the tax code to bring in more revenue. you don't have to raise taxes on anybody. host: let's go to jim in new castle, delaware, on our republican line. caller: good morning. the reason we have to be against tax increases and for spending cuts is to just show that we are a different party than the national sociologist parted as running the white house and the senate right now. economic

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this is a political hit job against the president. that's who they are aiming at. he and lindsey graham. i think they are doing the fox and the fox fuelled hysteria about the attacks in benghazi. but this reminds me of the republican flight from reality, the post truth politics mitt romney engaged in. remember, he would travel around the country saying president obama did an apology tour traveling the world. this guy, senator mccain, keeps talking about the danger of america's light footprint. if you want to deal with substance in this and not just these unverifiable calls mccain has made about weakness and light footprint, i think we need to look squarely at u.s. foreign policy in the region. and what john mccain and lindsey graham are doing is a great disservice to america, because they're distracting us from confronting the extraordinary new challenges we face in north africa and in the middle east with this stuff, this partisan witch-hunt. and that flight from reality is at the heart of the current gop. >> you know, when president obama took office in 2009, the republicans were up against a

campaigned and won re-election on. senator lindsey graham also breaking with norquist saying no higher tax rates but open to more tax revenue by limiting deductions. >> i'm willing to generate revenue. it's fair to ask my party to put revenue on the table. ilt not raise tax rates to do it and cap deductions. >> another lawmaker breaking with the norquist agrees. >> i think everything should be on the table. i'm imposed on tax increases. imt not going to prejudge it, and we should not take ironclad positions. >> late today in "the situation room" republican kevin mccarthy put a fresh spin on the talking points. >> if the gel oal is to raise m revenue what's the best way to do that and protect the economy? if you're able to gain more revenue by closing special loopholes and limiting them and keeping the rate down, isn't that a better outcome? >> once again, talk of tax deductions and closing loopholes, but a big note. raising tax rates, so a lot of talk but perhaps not much real movement at least for now. as for grover norquist, he told cnn's soledad o'brien today that although some republic

? lindsey graham, saxby chambliss, bob corker and peter king, and mike lee, they've all said they're willing to compromise and consider revenue increases to avoid the fiscal cliff. their shift in position has grover norquist vowing to help unseat any republican who breaks his taxpayer protection pledge. the question tonight is whether this is a larger trend or whether republicans are just testing the waters and two men who know about testing the waters, politicking and actually meaning what you say join me now. david frum and james carville, you have been on every side of this. let me start with you though david. republicans talking about raising revenue by closing loopholes. as opposes to raising tax rates. you can get a heck of a lot of revenue that way. is this smart for them r or not? >> republicans are going to be yielding ground, but they have to avoid seemingly yielding ground underressure. president has a strong hand. they have to keep their party together. frankly, i think loopholes are the wrong place to -- so-called loop homes, meaning deductions for home mortgage, are the wrong p

re-election on. senator lindsey graham also breaking with norquist says no on higher tax rates, but is open to more tax revenue by limiting deductions. >> i will violate the pledge long story short for the good of the country only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >> another lawmaker who's breaking with the norquist agrees. >> i think everything should be on the table. i myself am opposed to tax increases, i'm not going to prejudge it, we should not be taking iron clad positions. >> late today in the situation room, republican kevin mccarthy, the house majority whip put a fresh spin on what seems to be the talking points. >> if the goal is to raise more revenue, what is the best way to do that? at the same time protecting the economy? if you're able to gain more revenue by closing special loopholes, and limiting them. and keeping the rate down, so you have better ground control, isn't that a better outcome. >> talk of tax deductions and closing loopholes. a big note on raising tax rates. a lost talk but perhaps not real movement at least for now. as for grover norquist,

reaction from one of her biggest critics, south carolina senator lindsey graham, who will join us live. >> here's what's important, the story that susan rice told america and president obama himself told america about benghazi was that it was a result of a spontaneous event. the difference between spontaneous and preplanned is significant. patti ann: a fox news alert, walking out on one of the busiest shopping days of the year. picket lines greeting black friday shoppers at the nation's largest retailer. a brand new hour of "america's newsroom", i'm patti ann brown. gregg: and i'm gregg jarrett in for bill hemmer. union workers protesting what they call unfair working conditions and demanding better benefits and pay. james rosen is live at the protest in landover hills, maryland. james? >> reporter: gregg and patti ann, good morning. this black friday confrontation here at wal-mart unfolded with a lot of sound and fury, a lot of evident passion, a bit of tension, but thankfully, no violence and it should be said no discernible disruption to commerce. the reverend dr. edwin l. jones, a

, the republicans are still hammering away on this issue, right? >> they are. lindsey graham charges that the obama administration has failed to respond to at least a dozen congressional letters adding that the obama white house was keen on the obama raid and should offer the same transparency on benghazi. unfair to the american people and the families of the victims of the benghazi attack to not provide the same level of defailed facts in an accounting for what i consider a major national security failure. on thursday last week, a classified section. fox news told that james clapper hid of the u.s. intelligence community was definite. his team did not make controversial changes to the talking points used by ambassador susan rice. critics say the changes like taking out the word at divide played down the terrorism angle. on tuesday this week in a total reversal. clapper's office says they were responsible for the changes. >> i think clapper has to say and has to say publicly whether he advocated the youtube video theory, whether he pressed it on the white house and others in the intelligence commun

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